Comments on: Paul Ryan – The Establishment’s Idea of a Radical http://www.rlc.org/paul-ryan-the-establishments-idea-of-a-radical/ The Conscience of the Republican Party Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bob http://www.rlc.org/paul-ryan-the-establishments-idea-of-a-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-33965 Bob Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:46:02 +0000 http://www.rlc.org/?p=7358#comment-33965 Dave and commenters, Well I must say this was an interesting read and unimpressive. You have told us that you don't like Republicans except for Ron and Rand Paul. You criticize Republicans because they don't think like you. You threaten Republicans because they don't do what you tell them to do. You tell one another that you will not support Republicans because they aren't like you and to show them that by god you are serious you're not going to vote for them and when a Democrat wins that will show them. So far I have read nothing but trivial baby talk. You warn that if the Republicans think that they are going to pacify the grassroots with a paltry VP candidate like Paul Ryan by god they have another think coming. Let me give you an update you are not the grassroots. You are whining cry babies who threaten to go home if you don't get your way. How many of you are holding public office? Well I have wasted enough time on this site I am going on to an adult site now. See you later. Dave and commenters,

Well I must say this was an interesting read and unimpressive. You have told us that you don’t like Republicans except for Ron and Rand Paul. You criticize Republicans because they don’t think like you. You threaten Republicans because they don’t do what you tell them to do. You tell one another that you will not support Republicans because they aren’t like you and to show them that by god you are serious you’re not going to vote for them and when a Democrat wins that will show them.

So far I have read nothing but trivial baby talk. You warn that if the Republicans think that they are going to pacify the grassroots with a paltry VP candidate like Paul Ryan by god they have another think coming. Let me give you an update you are not the grassroots. You are whining cry babies who threaten to go home if you don’t get your way. How many of you are holding public office?

Well I have wasted enough time on this site I am going on to an adult site now.

See you later.

]]> By: Bob Schmidt http://www.rlc.org/paul-ryan-the-establishments-idea-of-a-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-33266 Bob Schmidt Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:00:31 +0000 http://www.rlc.org/?p=7358#comment-33266 Dave's comments about the establishment's perspective are as true of us as they are of the establishment. I find the small government religous conservative ideologues are closer to libertarian than many of the non-religous who claim the libertarian label for their pet issue. But Dave doesn' seem to see it that way... probably because he buys the establishment's description of religous conservatives. I agree with Brian that CORPORATISM is the real enemy. Capitalists see Corporatism and call it socialism. Socialists see Corporatism and call it Capitalism. The Corporatists are able to control the situation by getting the other 2 economic camps to think in only of each other and give Corporatism a pass. Dave’s comments about the establishment’s perspective are as true of us as they are of the establishment. I find the small government religous conservative ideologues are closer to libertarian than many of the non-religous who claim the libertarian label for their pet issue. But Dave doesn’ seem to see it that way… probably because he buys the establishment’s description of religous conservatives.

I agree with Brian that CORPORATISM is the real enemy. Capitalists see Corporatism and call it socialism. Socialists see Corporatism and call it Capitalism. The Corporatists are able to control the situation by getting the other 2 economic camps to think in only of each other and give Corporatism a pass.

]]> By: Brian http://www.rlc.org/paul-ryan-the-establishments-idea-of-a-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-33242 Brian Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:56:14 +0000 http://www.rlc.org/?p=7358#comment-33242 The premise of the article is that in the eyes of the establishment they are handing a candidate who represents radical conservatism / tea party / libertarian values... My counterpoint is NO... they aren't stupid. They know they are putting a statist in place... and are merely advertising to the masses that he is radical. The masses are just dumb enough to buy it. Your premise underestimates those in power. No, they are not ideologues, yes, they are running on maintaining a power structure. But they're not making any concessions whatsoever. Merely playing on the ignorance of the public. We ought to feel the same way about the Ryan selection, as we do about the Romney selection. Big government Liberals masquerading as Conservatives. No more carrying their water. The premise of the article is that in the eyes of the establishment they are handing a candidate who represents radical conservatism / tea party / libertarian values… My counterpoint is NO… they aren’t stupid. They know they are putting a statist in place… and are merely advertising to the masses that he is radical. The masses are just dumb enough to buy it. Your premise underestimates those in power. No, they are not ideologues, yes, they are running on maintaining a power structure. But they’re not making any concessions whatsoever. Merely playing on the ignorance of the public.

We ought to feel the same way about the Ryan selection, as we do about the Romney selection. Big government Liberals masquerading as Conservatives. No more carrying their water.

]]> By: Dave Nalle http://www.rlc.org/paul-ryan-the-establishments-idea-of-a-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-33238 Dave Nalle Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:38:37 +0000 http://www.rlc.org/?p=7358#comment-33238 Brian. I don't see how your statements here are in any way out of sync with the premise of this article. Dave Brian. I don’t see how your statements here are in any way out of sync with the premise of this article.

Dave

]]> By: Bryan http://www.rlc.org/paul-ryan-the-establishments-idea-of-a-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-33236 Bryan Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:30:08 +0000 http://www.rlc.org/?p=7358#comment-33236 Or, if we accept the table scrap thrown to us with a "winning smile", it will convince them that they don't need to actually listen, they just need to trot out more Ryans and nothing better. It will prove that the liberty movement can be bought off and ignored with nothing but empty gestures. The theocrats weren't afraid to give a negative response, to let Republicans lose. The Republicans listened to that. Or, if we accept the table scrap thrown to us with a “winning smile”, it will convince them that they don’t need to actually listen, they just need to trot out more Ryans and nothing better. It will prove that the liberty movement can be bought off and ignored with nothing but empty gestures. The theocrats weren’t afraid to give a negative response, to let Republicans lose. The Republicans listened to that.

]]> By: Brian http://www.rlc.org/paul-ryan-the-establishments-idea-of-a-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-33235 Brian Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:13:56 +0000 http://www.rlc.org/?p=7358#comment-33235 Here is why you're wrong: If you truly believe that those running the show believe Paul Ryan to be radical, you seriously underestimate their intelligence. The persona that these individuals take on, is no more than a media creation. When one takes a step back and judges a legislator or executive based on their actions, 9 times out of 10 it is completely opposite of what the media portrays them to be. That is to say, Barrack Obama is NOT a socialist. On the contrary, he is one of the worst corporatist executives in history. He passed the largest Corporate Welfare in history in TARP. His Obamacare is not the public option that the left pined for, rather it requires 32 million individuals to buy insurance from PRIVATE insurance companies. His cabinet? Stocked full of CEOS and executives from GE, Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, NY Fed, etc. etc.. But the public perception is this man is socialist. Far from it. That is just a figment disseminated from the media, because that is what they want ignorant Americans to think. If you honestly believe that the right believes they're putting a radical Tea Partier on the ticket, then I have lost all respect for the RLC. Ryan's record speaks for itself, and quoting Ayn Rand no more makes someone a Libertarian, than quoting Napoleon makes someone a great Military Tactician. Here is why you’re wrong: If you truly believe that those running the show believe Paul Ryan to be radical, you seriously underestimate their intelligence.

The persona that these individuals take on, is no more than a media creation. When one takes a step back and judges a legislator or executive based on their actions, 9 times out of 10 it is completely opposite of what the media portrays them to be. That is to say, Barrack Obama is NOT a socialist. On the contrary, he is one of the worst corporatist executives in history. He passed the largest Corporate Welfare in history in TARP. His Obamacare is not the public option that the left pined for, rather it requires 32 million individuals to buy insurance from PRIVATE insurance companies. His cabinet? Stocked full of CEOS and executives from GE, Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, NY Fed, etc. etc.. But the public perception is this man is socialist. Far from it. That is just a figment disseminated from the media, because that is what they want ignorant Americans to think.

If you honestly believe that the right believes they’re putting a radical Tea Partier on the ticket, then I have lost all respect for the RLC. Ryan’s record speaks for itself, and quoting Ayn Rand no more makes someone a Libertarian, than quoting Napoleon makes someone a great Military Tactician.

]]> By: Tracy Daniels http://www.rlc.org/paul-ryan-the-establishments-idea-of-a-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-33234 Tracy Daniels Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:54:56 +0000 http://www.rlc.org/?p=7358#comment-33234 Couldn't agree more! Couldn’t agree more!

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